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Judge Smails · 11-12-2007, 02:24 PM

If a D-1 team went 9-1 against this schedule, where would you rank them nationally:

Fordham
Army
Delaware
Hofstra
Brown
James Madison
Richmond
New Hampshire
Massachusetts
Maine

They wouldn't even make my top 25. Well, that schedule (Rhode Island's by the way) is the #119 toughest schedule in the country per Sagarin. It's tougher than Boise St's (122) and MUCH tougher than Hawaii's (157).

Yet here sits Boise St primed to make a bowl game theoretically reserved for a top 12 team, despite having played a schedule worse than Rhode Island's (but 1-9 Idaho is up this week), and actually having lost to a terrible Washington team.

As big a travesty as Hawaii making a BCS bowl game would be, at least they'd be undefeated against their piss poor schedule.

By the way, here's the SOS of 1-AA teams along with all 4 I-A teams who've played a softer schedule than W Carolina (it's also interesting to note, if you throw out W Kentucky [provisional I-A], Hawaii and BSU have the 1st and 3rd worst schedules in the country):

W Carolina 104
S Utah 111
Elon 114
Northeastern 118
Rhode Island 119
Boise St 122
Furman 123
W Illinois 124
Will & Mary 125
Chattanooga 126
Citadel 127
App St 128
Villanova 129
W Kentucky 130
UTEP 131
Illinois St 132
NW State 133
Youngstown St 134
SF Austin 135
Ga Southern 136
Richmond 137
Indiana St 138
N Hampshire 139
U Mass 140
Wofford 141
Maine 142
SE Louisiana 143
Delaware 144
Sam Houston St 145
James Madison 146
N Iowa 147
Towson 148
UC Davis 149
S Dakota St 150
Hofstra 151
Missouri St 152
N Colorado 153
Sac St 154
Portland St 155
Nicholls St 156
Hawaii 157

Judge Smails · 11-12-2007, 02:33 PM

You want to see what a #155 schedule looks like (2 better than Hawaii's)?:

McNeese State
California-Davis
Sacramento State
San Diego State
Eastern Washington
Northern Arizona
Idaho State
Weber State
Montana
Montana State

Nice, isn't it.

So what does it all mean?

I can't decide if 11-1 Boise St or 12-0 Hawaii making a BCS bowl is a bigger travesty, but it's a terrible precedent.

Why should anybody schedule anybody any more. Give me a weak conference, 4 body bag nonconference games and a $17M pay day.

This is SO stupid. I didn't think BSU deserved a BCS game last year, but if either of these teams deserves in this year, that BSU team should have been declared national champions. At least they beat a good Oregon St team.

Shouldn't you have to beat SOMEBODY. Is that too much to ask?

Apparently so.

Judge Smails · 11-12-2007, 02:36 PM

One more thing.

I think I'm probably the first person in the world to ever look up the Portland State schedule.

I've lost my PSU Viking Schedule virginity.

Indy Coug · 11-12-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Smails

If a D-1 team went 9-1 against this schedule, where would you rank them nationally:

Depends what their average margin of victory was. If they were winning by 50 ppg, I'd probably give them consideration.

Judge Smails · 11-12-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Depends what their average margin of victory was. If they were winning by 50 ppg, I'd probably give them consideration.

they're not

Indy Coug · 11-12-2007, 02:58 PM

Frankly, I don't give much credence to computer models that attempt to somehow quantify quality of 1-AA teams relative to 1-A teams. Thus, these comparitive SOS you're showing don't really mean much to me.

OrangeUte · 11-12-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Judge Smails

I didn't think BSU deserved a BCS game last year...

i am curious - did you think the utes deserved their bcs bowl in 2004?

Judge Smails · 11-12-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeUte

i am curious - did you think the utes deserved their bcs bowl in 2004?

their SOS was a little weak, but they at least scheduled more than one BCS team did they not? Plus nobody played them close and they played a much better conference schedule. They didn't go into overtime with the likes of La Tech and SJSU and they certainly didn't lose to the worst team in the PAC 10.

Apples meet oranges.

Utah 2004 is a prime example of my BCS litmus test for small schools. Make an effort in scheduling and win impressively. (I would also accept playing a tough schedule and losing once - I probably would have been fine with a 1-loss Utah team making the BCS this year, a 1-loss BYU, probably not, but close.)

Hawaii and BSU have not come any where near passing my litmus test.

They're an embarrassment to the system.

Judge Smails · 11-12-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Frankly, I don't give much credence to computer models that attempt to somehow quantify quality of 1-AA teams relative to 1-A teams. Thus, these comparitive SOS you're showing don't really mean much to me.

Okay, let's talk D-1 only. BSU's schedule is #117 and Hawaii's is 120 (out of 120).

BSU has lost to 3-7 Washington and Hawaii has gone to OT against 2 teams not in the top 100.

Where should they be ranked? Should they be in line for a BCS bowl?

For some reason perception and reality are way out of line on these WAC teams.

Indy Coug · 11-12-2007, 03:53 PM

Personally, I think Boise is a lot better team than Hawaii and I think they've shown they are a lot better team now (with their new starting QB) than they were to start the season against Washington.

Washington wasn't a bad team to start the season, but their BRUTAL schedule + injuries have reduced them to being a pretty crappy team now.

If Boise doesn't beat Hawaii, I'd be very surprised.

11-12-2007, 02:33 PM	#2
Judge Smails Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 211	You want to see what a #155 schedule looks like (2 better than Hawaii's)?: McNeese State California-Davis Sacramento State San Diego State Eastern Washington Northern Arizona Idaho State Weber State Montana Montana State Nice, isn't it. So what does it all mean? I can't decide if 11-1 Boise St or 12-0 Hawaii making a BCS bowl is a bigger travesty, but it's a terrible precedent. Why should anybody schedule anybody any more. Give me a weak conference, 4 body bag nonconference games and a $17M pay day. This is SO stupid. I didn't think BSU deserved a BCS game last year, but if either of these teams deserves in this year, that BSU team should have been declared national champions. At least they beat a good Oregon St team. Shouldn't you have to beat SOMEBODY. Is that too much to ask? Apparently so. __________________ Oh yes, I have spread my seed.

11-12-2007, 02:36 PM	#3
Judge Smails Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 211	One more thing. I think I'm probably the first person in the world to ever look up the Portland State schedule. I've lost my PSU Viking Schedule virginity. __________________ Oh yes, I have spread my seed.

11-12-2007, 02:24 PM	#1
Judge Smails Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 211	Rank this team If a D-1 team went 9-1 against this schedule, where would you rank them nationally: Fordham Army Delaware Hofstra Brown James Madison Richmond New Hampshire Massachusetts Maine They wouldn't even make my top 25. Well, that schedule (Rhode Island's by the way) is the #119 toughest schedule in the country per Sagarin. It's tougher than Boise St's (122) and MUCH tougher than Hawaii's (157). Yet here sits Boise St primed to make a bowl game theoretically reserved for a top 12 team, despite having played a schedule worse than Rhode Island's (but 1-9 Idaho is up this week), and actually having lost to a terrible Washington team. As big a travesty as Hawaii making a BCS bowl game would be, at least they'd be undefeated against their piss poor schedule. By the way, here's the SOS of 1-AA teams along with all 4 I-A teams who've played a softer schedule than W Carolina (it's also interesting to note, if you throw out W Kentucky [provisional I-A], Hawaii and BSU have the 1st and 3rd worst schedules in the country): W Carolina 104 S Utah 111 Elon 114 Northeastern 118 Rhode Island 119 Boise St 122 Furman 123 W Illinois 124 Will & Mary 125 Chattanooga 126 Citadel 127 App St 128 Villanova 129 W Kentucky 130 UTEP 131 Illinois St 132 NW State 133 Youngstown St 134 SF Austin 135 Ga Southern 136 Richmond 137 Indiana St 138 N Hampshire 139 U Mass 140 Wofford 141 Maine 142 SE Louisiana 143 Delaware 144 Sam Houston St 145 James Madison 146 N Iowa 147 Towson 148 UC Davis 149 S Dakota St 150 Hofstra 151 Missouri St 152 N Colorado 153 Sac St 154 Portland St 155 Nicholls St 156 Hawaii 157 __________________ Oh yes, I have spread my seed.

11-12-2007, 02:58 PM	#6
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Frankly, I don't give much credence to computer models that attempt to somehow quantify quality of 1-AA teams relative to 1-A teams. Thus, these comparitive SOS you're showing don't really mean much to me.

11-12-2007, 03:53 PM	#10
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Personally, I think Boise is a lot better team than Hawaii and I think they've shown they are a lot better team now (with their new starting QB) than they were to start the season against Washington. Washington wasn't a bad team to start the season, but their BRUTAL schedule + injuries have reduced them to being a pretty crappy team now. If Boise doesn't beat Hawaii, I'd be very surprised.