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The Borg · 05-29-2007, 06:33 PM

Ok...what's the deal with face cards?

I grew up playing Pinnochle and love it. I've played with face cards all my life...and don't feel like I'm evil!

So...my wife is very 'black & white' and because the Church has stated that playing with face cards is "bad"...she does not like the idea.

My take is that during the early days of the Church, I'm sure that cards were a pastime, and gambling etc. which really took the men away from home, or caused problems with losing money.

Today, however, there are so many "games" to be played, that I actually feel it is "quality" time if I can play games with my kids etc. Talk about prime time to talk, laugh and have fun with your kids.

Anyone else have similar views/problems with face cards?

Venkman · 05-29-2007, 06:38 PM

Does "The Church" really teach that it's bad? I know some leaders have in the past, but I haven't heard anything over the pulpit lately.

Regardless, I don't see the big deal with face cards.

Jeff Lebowski · 05-29-2007, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Venkman

Does "The Church" really teach that it's bad? I know some leaders have in the past, but I haven't heard anything over the pulpit lately.

Regardless, I don't see the big deal with face cards.

I think there was a section on that topic by BRM in Mormon Doctrine. I am sure grapevine could weigh in here.

I haven't seen anyone bring that up since I was a young lad.

bYuPride · 05-29-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I think there was a section on that topic by BRM in Mormon Doctrine. I am sure grapevine could weigh in here.

I haven't seen anyone bring that up since I was a young lad.

Yes it's in Mormon Doctrine. Playing with face cards is a fabulous use of ones time when played with family and friends with the spirit of fun. I'm sure there will be many games played with face cards at the upcoming tailgates...

SeattleUte · 05-29-2007, 06:52 PM

Does Mormon Doctrine say face cards are okay?

bYuPride · 05-29-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Does Mormon Doctrine say face cards are okay?

I haven't read that part since the early part of my mission, but I recall it talking about gambling and saloon like behavior that comes from it... It seemed like it was advice for those living in the Old West. It really seemed to discourage people from playing with face cards.. I don't know if BRM has ever played california speed...

RockyBalboa · 05-29-2007, 07:05 PM

When I was in Middle School/High School....we used to play poker using face cards in our friends basements.....using GUMMY WORMS, GUMMY BEARS and pennies...that was it.

One of the kid's mom found out and went absolutely ballistic.

She called the Bishop and demanded he speak to us. She called all of the parents of the kids as if we were involved in some kind of illicit gang activity.

She forbade her 2 sons from playing with us. Of course that lasted for about a week....but good grief some of the things that people freak out over are so over the top.

This was the couple mind you who used to whip their kids with belts whenever they mis-behaved. There were times we could literally hear the kids in the house screaming when they were being whipped.

pelagius · 05-29-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Does Mormon Doctrine say face cards are okay?

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Members of the Church should not belong to bridge or other type of card clubs, and they should neither play cards nor have them in their homes. By cards is meant, of course, the spotted face cards used by gamblers. To the extent that church members play cards they are out of harmony with their inspired leaders. Innocent non-gambling games played with other types of cards, except for the waste of time in many instances, are not objectionable." (Mormon Doctrine, p.113)

For references about face cards see the following: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/recreation.htm

Tex · 05-29-2007, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bYuPride

I haven't read that part since the early part of my mission, but I recall it talking about gambling and saloon like behavior that comes from it... It seemed like it was advice for those living in the Old West. It really seemed to discourage people from playing with face cards.. I don't know if BRM has ever played california speed...

Mormon Doctrine definitely discourages the use of face cards. My understanding was (and this is off the top of my head) was that it had to do with their relationship to Tarot cards and the mysticism that went with it.

Personally, I don't have much of a problem with it.

Jeff Lebowski · 05-29-2007, 07:31 PM

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...Innocent non-gambling games played with other types of cards, except for the waste of time in many instances, are not objectionable...

I love that little line about wasting time. This is a classic MD excerpt.

05-29-2007, 06:33 PM	#1
The Borg Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 533	Playing with "Face Cards" Ok...what's the deal with face cards? I grew up playing Pinnochle and love it. I've played with face cards all my life...and don't feel like I'm evil! So...my wife is very 'black & white' and because the Church has stated that playing with face cards is "bad"...she does not like the idea. My take is that during the early days of the Church, I'm sure that cards were a pastime, and gambling etc. which really took the men away from home, or caused problems with losing money. Today, however, there are so many "games" to be played, that I actually feel it is "quality" time if I can play games with my kids etc. Talk about prime time to talk, laugh and have fun with your kids. Anyone else have similar views/problems with face cards? __________________ Hello......helloo.......HELLLOOO!

05-29-2007, 06:52 PM	#5
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Does Mormon Doctrine say face cards are okay? __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

05-29-2007, 07:05 PM	#7
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	When I was in Middle School/High School....we used to play poker using face cards in our friends basements.....using GUMMY WORMS, GUMMY BEARS and pennies...that was it. One of the kid's mom found out and went absolutely ballistic. She called the Bishop and demanded he speak to us. She called all of the parents of the kids as if we were involved in some kind of illicit gang activity. She forbade her 2 sons from playing with us. Of course that lasted for about a week....but good grief some of the things that people freak out over are so over the top. This was the couple mind you who used to whip their kids with belts whenever they mis-behaved. There were times we could literally hear the kids in the house screaming when they were being whipped. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

05-29-2007, 06:38 PM	#2
Venkman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 1,799	Does "The Church" really teach that it's bad? I know some leaders have in the past, but I haven't heard anything over the pulpit lately. Regardless, I don't see the big deal with face cards.