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As a case in point to show how nutty it is, remember the Book of Alma, where the spiritual judge was separated from the legal, secular judgment? That is in effect a model for Republican form of government. I doubt seriously any earnest GA, currently serving desires theological law to supplant the secular law, in all but a few instances. I doubt and challenge you to back it up, Seattle, that a single, currently serving GA, has advocated secular law be changed to outlaw adultery or fornication. The Church has enough trials advising its membership let alon implementing religious law amongst the secular. An absurd allegation.
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Admittedly I'm extrapolating. It's just imagination. The difference between us is that I don't put Mormonism on any higher moral plain than any other religion. Have you ever tried to imagine your religion as being born and based somewhere outside the United States in a time other than the time in which it was born? I bet not many here have. It's not really even possible to do because, as reflected in the article of faith cited by Il Pad, Mormonism is to such a great extent a product of its time and place. But it is also a product of the past, a reaction to its time and place. It's fundamentally a religion.
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05-09-2007, 04:26 AM | #46 | |
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I think everyone is taking this thread, in which I have without exception addressed hypothetical situations--plausible hypotheticals but hypotheticals nonetheless--too seriously.
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Well, it's a pretty vivid imagination you have there. Secret plot for world domination? Fantasies about restoring polygamy for leaders only? Lusting for dictatorial powers? Come on...
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You say my hypotheticals are so over the top, but think about why Christopher Hitchins writes a book about how religion poisons everything, and thinks Mormonism is material enough to deserve a section in his book. I'm not saying I agree with him completely, not at all. But I don't see anyone saying he's gone over the top, that he's a complete loon. That perspective is at least worthy of consideration. Hithcins believes religion poses a menace to liberty tantamount to fascism and communism. Really religions' hostility to pluralism, dialogue, and intellectualism is self-evident and understandable.
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How about this: SU is correct, we would like to have a worldwide government where secular law is identical with religious doctrine (assuming we can ever figure out what the heck that is, but that's for another thread). The goal of life is to live consistently with God's will. The goal of our church is to help us do this. The goal of our missionaries is to help others do this. The difference between our goals and SU's imagined disaster is that we want to do so by persuasion and not coercion.
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I listened to an extensive interview with Hitchens the other day about his book. Picking on religion is a pretty simple task. History is full of atrocities commited in the name of God. He is articulate, persuasive, and an excellent story-teller. But he hardly presents a balanced view. And he is prone to exaggeration and sensationalism. It's a great way to get those books moving off the shelves.
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